The SaaS desk
Tracking SaaS, seat-based pricing, net revenue retention + 10 more
- SaaS — The category conversation: who says it is dying, who says it is fine, and on what evidence.
- seat-based pricing — The pricing argument AI forces — per-seat, per-usage, per-outcome.
- net revenue retention — The number operators actually run on, and what is happening to it.
- churn — Retention pressure: who is losing customers and to what.
- vertical SaaS — Where software money is moving as horizontal tools commoditise.
- AI-native software — The challengers rebuilding categories, and how incumbents answer.
- ARR — The growth number operators benchmark against, and what is happening to it.
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DeepSeek hits $1 billion ARR as SaaS pricing fractures
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The SaaS-versus-AI debate is shifting from abstract theory to operational reality as companies move past the initial hype cycle. You are seeing a clear split: while some firms are aggressively replacing SaaS subscriptions with custom AI-native tools to cut costs, others are re-engineering their revenue models to survive the transition from seat-based pricing to usage-based consumption.
Sep 25 · 56 min
DeepSeek hits $1 billion ARR milestone
- DeepSeek's annualized revenue run rate, or ARR, reached $1 billion, more than doubling from July's $500 million figure.
- DeepSeek's $1 billion ARR remains a small fraction compared to the tens of billions generated by OpenAI.
- DeepSeek CEO Lian Munfo stated that generating revenue is not the company's top priority despite rapid growth.
Why this matters to you
Rapid revenue scaling at high margins by low-cost providers challenges existing SaaS pricing models and the sustainability of traditional per-seat valuation metrics.
So we just reported that DeepSeq's annualized revenue run rate, ARR, just reached $1 billion. And this really shows revenue growth is accelerating because a few months ago in July, it was less than $500 million.”
— Juro Osawa
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ARR
6 episodes · 6 of 10 mentions
2496: 2 P's on a Pod: Small Cap Investing with Paul Hill & Paul ScottSaaS stock recovery post-February sell-off · The Vox Markets Podcast · Listen
Market observers note that many SaaS stocks have recovered from the February 'SaaS-pocalypse' sell-off, presenting selective buying opportunities.
Meta Unveils Muse Charm and Gemini Can Call for YouEleven Labs reaches $600M ARR target · Claude AI · Listen
Eleven Labs reports $600 million in ARR with enterprise clients accounting for 55% of revenue, signaling potential margin compression ahead.
Justin Woody (Co-Founder, Twine): Nobody Will Ever Hire Enough People to Fix Security | S6 E5Twine Security's $12M AI-focused launch · On Security (a podcast powered by tact.) · Listen
Twine Security emerged from stealth with $12 million in funding, focusing on balancing high-performance foundation models against token costs.
312: $4 to $15 a Window: How Jamie Built a $245K Window Cleaning BusinessWindow cleaning business shifts to recurring revenue · Home Service Business Coach With David Moerman · Listen · Watch
A window cleaning business is transitioning to service plans and ARR to stabilize long-term revenue and improve business valuation.
Bitcoin's Rally Meets AI's New Cold WarSkepticism over AI company ARR validity · Digital Currents · Listen
Critics argue that OpenAI and Anthropic's ARR figures are misleading due to reliance on annualized monthly data and high enterprise churn.
SaaS
10 episodes · 10 of 17 mentions
Sep 25 · 64 min
Horizontal SaaS valuation multiples compress to 5x
- Steve Wolfe notes that SaaS valuations have shifted from 18 times revenue down to 5 times revenue.
- The firm views horizontal SaaS as not dead, despite current market sentiment favoring vertical management systems.
- Growth Street Partners focuses on vertical B2B SaaS companies where founders have deep, lived industry experience.
Why this matters to you
Understanding the revaluation of SaaS assets and the distinction between horizontal and vertical viability helps calibrate expectations for future funding and exit strategies.
“The consensus view is like horizontal software is dead. OK, that obviously cannot be true. Right. You know, like some horizontal software is going to be dead, but horizontal software is not dead.”
— Steve Wolfe
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Sep 26 · 32 min
Founders replacing SaaS with direct AI models
- The founder notes that he has canceled many of his SaaS subscriptions to build tools directly using AI models.
- The guest argues that SaaS companies like DocuSign face a rude awakening due to high costs and AI alternatives.
- The host and guest discuss how AI is increasing the workload for lawyers rather than replacing them in practice.
Why this matters to you
The shift from subscription-based software to direct AI model usage suggests a significant contraction in SaaS demand and pricing power for traditional tools.
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🎯 Sales Leadership in an AI-Augmented World: Governance, Judgment & Revenue AlignmentMarketing ownership of the early sales funnel · Marketing in the Age of AI · Listen
Startups are increasingly prioritizing AI tools over internal processes, with marketing taking ownership of the discovery and demo phases of the sales cycle.
California's New Digital Tax: Navigating Sales Tax on SaaS and SoftwareCalifornia expands sales tax to include SaaS · GeTtin' SALTy Podcast · Listen
Starting January 2027, California will classify SaaS as tangible personal property, imposing new sales tax compliance burdens on purchasers and sellers.
Episode 141: Sales ProfanityOutcome-based billing in MSP services · MSP Chat · Listen
Treeline is experimenting with outcome-based billing to capture a percentage of business value, moving away from traditional per-seat models.
🌁 “LIVE from SF” — The Gap’s boy band. AI’s GrandmaSlop. SaaS: Swimming-as-a-Service. +SF Billboard BoomPool maintenance as an AI-resistant service · The Best One Yet · Listen
Private equity roll-ups in the pool sector illustrate how service-based businesses maintain pricing power where software models face existential AI pressure.
Meta’s Muse Revival, Frontier AI Under Threat, The Rise Of Dopamine SitesMeta's Muse agent adoption metrics · Big Technology Podcast · Listen
Meta's Muse agent reached 500,000 users in one week, proving that non-frontier models can drive massive engagement and threaten marketplace business models.
MSP Initiative Live with Rob Scott from MonjurAI-native MSPs and copyright liability · The MSP Initiative · Listen
AI-native MSPs are trading at higher multiples, but experts warn that AI-coding tools introduce significant copyright risks for service providers.
How AI Is Changing Accounting, CAS & Client AdvisoryAccounting firms moving to agentic workflows · Accounting Insiders · Listen
Accounting firms are evolving beyond SaaS to agentic technology, though current tax automation tools remain largely inaccessible for smaller firms.
#369 - Pouring Into Success with Peter IglesiasWarning against mislabeling human-heavy services as SaaS · The Shrimp Tank Podcast - The Best Entrepreneur Podcast In The Country · Listen
Founders are warned not to present as SaaS if their business relies on significant human components, as this misaligns investor expectations.
churn
4 episodes · 4 of 16 mentions
Part Sixteen: The Revenue Logic of Customer ObsessionAI-driven churn reduction strategies · C-Suite Sales & Marketing Perspectives · Listen
Forrester research indicates that customer-obsessed firms using AI to monitor interactions experience significantly lower churn and faster revenue growth.
If you’re not unbelievably rich yet, this is why ~ Alex HormoziHormozi on churn as a value lever · The Alex Hormozi’s Podcast · Listen
Alex Hormozi emphasizes that raising prices and decreasing churn are the only two viable levers for increasing customer lifetime value.
BLP:375 From Finance Guy to Trucking CEOHuman-centric management reduces logistics churn · Bulkloads Podcast · Listen
A trucking CEO reports low driver churn by prioritizing non-corporate culture and hiring dispatchers with direct industry experience.
I Posted ONLY Business Content for 30 Days [STRATEGY REVEALED] ~ Alex HormoziRetention as a high-value content strategy · The Alex Hormozi’s Podcast · Listen
Alex Hormozi notes that content focused on deep business tactics like churn reduction attracts higher-value audiences than superficial growth hacks.
seat-based pricing
1 episode · 1 mention
Sep 25 · 53 min · Top 100 technology
Microsoft adopts hybrid pricing for commercial AI
- Microsoft is adopting a hybrid pricing model for commercial segments that combines seat-based pricing with usage-based pricing.
- Nadella claims seat-based pricing remains a convenient way for customers to budget and buy without surprises.
- Usage-based pricing is expected to eventually transition into subscription models as AI token costs continue decreasing.
Why this matters to you
Blending fixed seat costs with variable usage creates a predictable procurement path while allowing Microsoft to pass through declining AI model costs to customers.
The SaaS Podcast - SaaS, Startups, Growth Hacking
1 episode · 1 mention
The SaaS Podcast - Real Lessons on Growing Profitable SaaS
Sep 24 · 44 min
Bootstrapping to $50M ARR via high-touch service
- Ross Andrew Paquette bootstrapped MaroPost to $50 million in ARR by focusing on high-touch customer service.
- The company grew from $300,000 to $27 million in ARR in under 28 months using trade shows.
- Paquette bought out his investors for $37 million after realizing their operational expectations conflicted with his vision.
Why this matters to you
Maintaining founder-led sales and ownership control provides a viable alternative to the high-burn, low-equity path often pushed by venture capital models.
“I know very few founders who can actually sell. They can sell investors, but if you put them on the phone to do an actual product demo, it probably wouldn't be that great.”
— Ross Andrew Paquette
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Run the Numbers
1 episode · 1 mention
Sep 24 · 34 min
NScale IPO highlights AI infrastructure risks
- NScale filed for a $35 billion IPO, reporting $103.4 billion in total contract value from Microsoft and Anthropic.
- The company is currently gross margin negative, with 95% of its contracted GPU capacity not yet live today.
- NVIDIA acts as a supplier, investor, and customer, having invested $2.2 billion and guaranteeing $860 million in rent.
Why this matters to you
The reliance on massive, unbuilt, take-or-pay contracts highlights the extreme financial risk and capital intensity inherent in scaling AI infrastructure today.
The SaaS CFO
1 episode · 1 mention
Stop Bleeding Cash: Smarter AI Spend for SaaSCFO guide to AI spend attribution · The SaaS CFO · Listen
Sarah Wyman advises SaaS CFOs to track AI spend by department using HRIS data to prevent budget blowouts as pricing shifts to tokens.
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